Yeah, Alan, I've got some Brazilian headplates that I bought from LMI several years ago, and no receipt, either. Good thing nobody will ever want one of my guitars!
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| Author: | RussellR [ Fri Jul 15, 2005 9:40 pm ] |
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The recent discussion on how to identify Brazilian throws up for me another question. If something is offered as old growth, and you choose to use it, is there any obligation to provide a document trail to prove it is pre CITIES? Was just wondering ? Russell |
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| Author: | Dave White [ Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:20 pm ] |
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Russell, No "obligation" as such but my understanding is that if you want to export a guitar with Brazilian Rosewood parts then you need either CITES "passports" (Terence Tan showed me the ones he had for his certified wood - they go from owner to owner, with each new owner registering) for each piece used or firm and pretty comprehensive documentary evidence that the wood is pre-CITES ban. No doubt Terence (aka Pakhan) will elucidate further. |
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| Author: | Colonial Tonwds [ Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:27 pm ] |
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Russell, There's no obligation to provide documentation unless you ask for it. Robbie hit the nail on the head with regards to shipping overseas. You've gotta, and I mean gotta have all of your paperwork in order. |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:30 pm ] |
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Thanks Dave. I have the original purchase reciepts which date from 1958, and my reciepts for purchase. but all they really say is that a quantity of wood was purchased, no real cross reference with the actual pieces of timber. |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Fri Jul 15, 2005 11:31 pm ] |
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Sorry Steve posted at the same time as you, do you think the documents I have are good enough for export? |
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| Author: | pakhan [ Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:26 am ] |
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Hi Russell, from I have gathered, you need to use those documents to apply for a permit- in this case pre-cites. There has been a lot of doubt cast over pre-cites permits recently with the Spanish bustup and the export/import/resale practises of several tonewood companies. I know of several which have bought up a quantity of very low grade, cheap brazilian and use the bill of sale of those to obtain permits for brazilian bought without documentation. The cheap stuff gets veneered. It's a shame that a lot of legit businesses have to suffer the effects of a few. I'm phasing out my stock which I was promised permits for but never arrived- I changed supplier soon after that malarkey. Also note that Dave is obsolutely correct in saying brazilian rosewood parts- even bridges and headplates should be accounted for. I'm particularly fond of pulling that one out when folks talk about deforestation/appropriate documentation with brazilian B/S... well almost all Collings guitars have headstock veneer of brazilian (cites requirement), and all lowdens have a brazilian bridge (cites requirement). so if they have owned any.... Warmest Regards, Terence www.goodacoustics.com |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Sat Jul 16, 2005 1:51 am ] |
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Terence Thanks for the guideance it is much appreciatted |
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| Author: | Colonial Tonwds [ Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:24 am ] |
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I sure do. What you need to do is contact the UK CITES folks and apply for the permit. I know in my case I had to complete an application as well as send my notorized letters, receipts, and shipping records dating back to the 1950's. There's usually a fee you'll have to pay and you can get either a single or multi use permit. Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. Steve |
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| Author: | RussellR [ Sat Jul 16, 2005 5:33 am ] |
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Steve Thank you for your help very much for your help |
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| Author: | Alan Carruth [ Sat Jul 16, 2005 10:10 am ] |
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Great. I bought a bit of BRW in planks about 25-30 years ago: cash transaction, and I'm sure I don't have a reciept. So where does that leave me? Looks like I won't sell any of those overseas... |
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| Author: | CarltonM [ Sun Jul 17, 2005 7:14 am ] |
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Yeah, Alan, I've got some Brazilian headplates that I bought from LMI several years ago, and no receipt, either. Good thing nobody will ever want one of my guitars!
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